
A press conference with Tom Cruise
and Steven Spielberg is sort of like an audience with the President.
Only there’s more security with Tom Cruise. Imagine 15
tv cameras, 200 journalists, wristbands, metal detectors, and
beefy security guards. Good thing I left my water gun at home.
They’re here,
of course, to chat about “War
of the Worlds,” Spielberg’s epic
return to the summer blockbuster. The two clearly have a rapport.
Swapping inside jokes and acting like lifelong friends, they
spend a leisurely forty minutes chatting about the making of
“Worlds,” why they both love science fiction, and
that yes, of course there’s life on other planets.
Science
fiction has a unique ability to put across social and political
ideas in an oblique—or subconscious—way. Is that
what draws you to the genre?
Spielberg: Well, I think that science fiction is not a subconscious
thing at all. Science fiction to me is a vacation. It’s
a vacation away from all the rules of narrative logic. It’s
a vacation away from basic physics and physical science. It
just lets you leave all the rules behind and just kind of fly.
We, as a human race, we don’t fly. We envy the birds.
I envy Tom because he actually flies jet planes, and I don’t
do that because I’m too afraid to fly.
But for those of us who don’t
fly: science fiction gives a chance to really soar, and this
is why I keep coming back to science fiction. There are absolutely
no limits to where the imagination can go. Now, the challenge
of science fiction is to tell a credible story. All that being
said, you have to impose certain limits. And I’ve imposed
limits on myself. There are a lot of directors that could have
taken this story and didn’t, because they would have made
it almost too fantastic. This could have been much more like
“Independence Day” or “Earth vs. Flying Saucers”
or it could have been much more about the army vs. the extraterrestrials.
There could have been huge battle-scenes, tripods going down,
soldiers blowing up.
I didn’t want to go there.
I wanted this, in a strange way, to be a little more of a cousin
to “Saving Private Ryan” in the genre of science
fiction. In the way that it’s more of a story told in
a first person point of view. So I did impose limits, and David
Koepp imposed limits, on how we shaped the screenplay and how
we caused all the characters to seem as realistic and normal
as we are. And that was very important to me. But science fiction,
as a genre, is the great escape for moviemakers.
Cruise:
No, I just dig going to science fiction movies, always have.
You look at science fiction and the role that science fiction
has actually played in our culture. It was the science fiction
writers during that pulp fiction era—they were writing
about space, [and then they] got the space race going. I find
it fascinating when we were preparing “Minority Report,”
the research that Steven had done. Now, the scrubbing the image,
actually Steven came up with that idea. I don’t know if
you’ve noticed but now, they’re doing that. They’ve
created that.
Spielberg:
Science fiction can sometimes suggest cool ways of exploring
the universe. The astronauts are completely inspired by science
fiction as kids, and they want to join the space program. Science
fiction has done a lot, I think, to encourage the people who
really have to spend the money at NASA to go out into space.
“Star Wars” and “2001: A Space Odyssey”
did amazingly positive prep work in that field but also…
Cruise:
I wonder if the astronauts are going to use “War
of the Worlds” to try to raise money to go out to make
sure we don’t get invaded. [Laughs.]
Spielberg:
I don’t know. It all depends if we’re going to take
the Reagan Star Wars thing out of mothballs and put that up
again. I just think that the whole field of science fiction,
as Tom was saying, and science fiction stories—it really
inspires young people to think and imagine and think that anything
is possible. My movies go from historical dramas to science
fiction. I love going back and forth from history where I really
am contained and I have to pretty much be more of a reporter,
a photojournalist, then an imaginer, and science fiction, where
I don’t have that many constraints on where we take these
stories.
Speaking
of your earlier sci-fi movies… back when you were first
envisioning “ET,” it began as a different movie—a
scary alien invasion movie. You sort of turned it around and
made it into a happy alien movie. At the time, you said that
you didn’t want to do a scary alien movie. What’s
changed since then?
Spielberg: There wasn’t anything huge
that changed in my life that made me do a scary alien movie.
Maybe it was just being goaded by the idea that everybody said,
over the years, that this was the guy that can’t make
a scary alien movie. I thought, well, why can’t I try
my hand at the kind of film that Ridley Scott made when he did
the first “Alien?” That was my favorite scary science
fiction movie of all time. It was just something that I had
always wanted to do.
[To Tom] We talked about this for
a couple years. Looking for a project to do together. I told
him that I wanted to do “War of the Worlds” ever
since I read the book in college, before I actually became a
filmmaker. I wanted to do some version of it at some point.
Cruise:
So you always planned to have ET phone home and bring
some of the, you know, ET gone gangster. [Laughs]
Spielberg:
But no, there was nothing really conscious. It was
just that it’s a great story. It’s a great piece
of 19th Century classic literature. It began an entire revolution
in science-fiction and fantasy in my opinion—Jules Verne
and HG Wells—and it was a film that was something that
I really respected when it was first made by George Paw in 1953
and 1954, and I just thought that we could make a version a
little closer and darker toward the original novel.
Father
figures are common themes in both of your movies. Tom, what
did playing a father mean to you?
And Steven,
was this your idea of reversing what you did in “Close
Encounters,” where a guy stays with the family, instead
of abandoning it for aliens?
Cruise: First of all, I have to say that I
love how Steven Spielberg deals with families in his movies.
I find them to be very real. Unique. I’ve always wanted
to personally be a father growing up, and when we started talking
about the story, we started talking about it being about a father
and a family. I couldn’t wait to be a father in this movie.
Spielberg:
Well, I was never really conscious of that. In “Close
Encounters,” it was about a man whose insatiable curiosity—more
than just curiosity, he developed an obsession—drew him
away from his family. And only looking back once, he walked
onto the mothership. Now, that was before I had kids. That was
1977. So I wrote that blithely. Today, I would never have the
guy leaving his family and go on the mothership. I would have
the guy doing everything he could to protect his children. So
in a sense, “War of the Worlds” does reflect my
own maturity, you know, in my own life growing up and now having
seven children.
The film
has a lot to do with refugees. Is that a theme for you?
Spielberg: Well, it is. It’s an unfamiliar
theme to all of us because we don’t often see images of
American refugees, except after local and national disasters
like hurricanes and people fleeing. And of course, the image
that stands out in my mind the most was the image of everybody
in Manhattan fleeing across the Brooklyn Bridge in the shadow
of 9/11, which is a searing image that I haven’t been
able to get out of my head. This is partially about the American
refugee experience, because it’s certainly about Americans
fleeing for their lives, being attacked for no reason. Having
no idea why they’re being attacked, and who is attacking
them.
How
much did the political situation today have to do with your
decision to make this film right now?
Spielberg:
This movie, I was hoping, would be more like a prism.
Everybody could see in a facet of the prism what they choose
to take from the experience of seeing “War of the Worlds,”
so I tried to make it as open for interpretation as possible,
without having anybody coming out with a huge political polemic
in the second act of the movie. I think there are politics certainly
underneath some of the scares and some of the adventure and
some of the fear, but I really wanted to make it suggested,
and not that everybody could have their own opinion. But I certainly
think I gave you enough rope to hang me with.
The director
of the Fantastic Four said that he was going to “WHOOP
your asses at the box office.”
Cruise:
I’d like to see that picture do really well, and I want
all the movies to do well. It doesn’t matter to me. I’m
going to go see that picture. I can’t wait.
Spielberg:
I want to go see it with my kids.
This is the second time you work together, after “Minority
Report” in 2002. Which one was easier for you?
Cruise:
I have to tell you personally that it just gets better,
the experience working with Steven.
Spielberg:
This was 100% character. Minority Report was certainly 50% character
and 50% very complicated storytelling…. layers and layers
of murder mystery plotting. This was a character journey, and
everything we talked about was about Tom’s character,
Dakota’s character, Justin Chatwin’s character,
Tim Robbin’s character…all about who these people
were an in a sense, that freed us up to explore a world we didn’t
get a chance to explore in Minority Report.
Cruise:
I had a lot of fun on Minority Report. I had even more fun on
this one. And the next one is going to be even more fun. [Laughs.]
One
of the things changed from the novel was having the aliens laying
dormant for eons rather than coming out of the sky…
Cruise:
I was there when he came up with that idea. It was instantaneous.
Because the machines are lying dormant—
Spielberg:
That was just something that I came up with. Because I didn’t
want to do the old “death from above” cliché
that we’ve seen so often in science fiction movies, where
you look up at the sky and it’s raining down terror and
death on you. I thought it was much more logical that this could
have been living with us inside of our earth for eons, before
the time was right and they made their plans. And so, I just
thought that was more of an original way of introducing a threat;
not from above, but from where we least expect it to come. A
sort of extraterrestrial threat almost from the inter-reaches
of earth.
What are your beliefs on life on other planets? Is it
out there?
Spielberg:
Yeah, it’s definitely out there. You know that. I think
we all know that we’re not alone in the universe. I can’t
imagine that anyone believes that we’re the only intelligent
biological life form in the entire universe. I certainly can’t
imagine living without the belief that there’s other life,
that the universe is teeming with life.
Do you
think we’ve been visited?
Spielberg:
I’m a little less sure in my ‘50s then I was in
my late ‘20s whether we actually have ever been visited.
I used to answer this question back in the days of “Close
Encounters” in the ‘70s. Wow, was I convinced that
we had been visited! And you know why I’m not as convinced
right now? Because of the millions of video cameras that are
out there today that are picking up less photographs videos
of UFOs—alleged UFOs—than have been picked up in
the ‘60s and ‘70s and ‘80s. Why is it that
there’s 150% more video cameras on the face of the planet
today, but we see less UFOs? Maybe we’re in a cold spell.
A UFO drought. [Laughter from room.]
Cruise:
I think it’s supreme arrogance to think that we’re
the only ones in all the universes.
What
was the most difficult thing for both of you making this movie?
Spielberg:
Physically, the most difficult scene for me was the scene I
worried about the most. Because it involved the safety of several
thousand local extras where we were shooting in Athens up the
Hudson River. That was the ferry scene. We had to have thousands
of people running, and I was terrified of someone falling, tripping,
being stepped on, being run over.
And thank God, because we had such
a great stunt coordinator, and we had so many dozens of stunt
people actually inside the crowds, and we had many safety meetings
with the crowds. Nothing bad happened, but I was on edge for
four days because of the fast amount of crowds, at night, running
on very narrow streets. I couldn’t wait for those scenes
to be over. I was happy every time we finished a take and everybody
was okay.
Cruise:
One thing I just want to add to that—which is kind of
astonishing to me, having obviously made a lot of movies, produced
a lot of movies—was how accurate and how quickly Steven
shot those sequences. It’s kind of stunning. For me, what
was the most difficult. I don’t know really. Honestly,
I had a lot of fun making the movie. There wasn’t a day…the
most difficult, hardest day was the last day of shooting. Because
it was over, because I really do sincerely love working with
Steven. I have great admiration, which you know, and I just
knew that I was going to miss it.
When David Koepp wrote this screenplay,
I had to say it was the best screenplay I’d ever read.
I told David this. You could just see a man inspired. The story
flew off the pages…I actually received 84 pages and I
could tell with Steven… He was like “OH, I’m
going to send it to you” and I was like “How is
it how is it How is it how is it How is it how is it?”I
can be quite an excitable person. I don’t know if you
know that about me. He said “Oh, just read it and call
me afterwards”. I read 84 pages and when it was over…I
tell you I was jumping on the couch! [Laughter.]
The box
office has been in a slump. What do you think that theaters
need to do differently to help the box office?
Spielberg:
I don’t believe this is the exhibitor’s responsibility.
The exhibitors don’t have to tweak their theaters. We
don’t have to find a new platform or medium to communicate
our stories with you. We don’t necessarily have to build
screens three times bigger. We don’t have to IMAX out
this world. We just have to make the kind of movies that you
want to see. If the box office is in a slump, I don’t
believe it’s because people are watching cable or playing
their video games so much; I really don’t believe that.
I believe that when the right movies come along, people will
show up for it.
Are you
stunned or puzzled by criticism that love or religion might
distract from the movie?
Cruise:
No. I really don’t pay attention to it. It doesn’t
bother me, you know what I’m saying? I just really don’t
pay attention to it. I do my work. I live my life. It’s
never affected anything before. It doesn’t matter. I make
my movies. And I live my life the best way that I can. I can’t
control what people are going to say or do. They can say or
do what they want. But it’s not going to change the way
I live my life?
Would you
personally run toward the tripods, or away?
Cruise:
I would run. [Laughs]
Spielberg:
Run! [Laughs.] I don’t know. There could have been another
kind of movie. There could have been a 1980’s-Tom Cruise-version
of War of the Worlds, where Tom Cruise runs toward the tripods.
Cruise:
And then I get in a jet.
Spielberg:
Get some sidewinders…
Cruise:
I don’t know what I’d do. It’s different with
kids. You’d run with them.
What happens
when the two of you disagree?
Cruise:
We’ve never actually had a disagreement. I so
respect his opinion, his judgment, that when he has an idea,
I’m always interested in exploring it.
Spielberg:
Yeah, we’ve never had a disagreement. And also, what usually
happens in the whole process, is that I’ll give Tom an
idea, and to Tom, an idea is a gift. When he hears an idea,
it’s a total surprise, and he’ll cover thousands
of acres and figure out a way to take that idea and make it
his own. And I’m the same way. Tom will come to the set—he’s
never like, “I want to do something that’s not in
the script,”—but he’ll be like, “Hey,
can I kinda just try this? I have this idea I want to throw
out. Can I try this song to my daughter, because I haven’t
been able to understand what the nursery rhymes mean? But can
I try a song that I like, that might be associated with cars,
since I’m the car guy in the movie?” That was Tom’s
idea. He brought that to the movie. Those are the kind of ideas
that I try out. Movies, they evolve. You start with a screenplay,
and then you evolve from there. And so every single day, there
are 15, 20 moments of discovery. That makes the movie come to
life.
Cruise:
Those are the fun moments. That’s why I do show up early.
I like to hang out and to let Steven see me on the set. And
it gives you ideas, and it gives him that time and that room
for ideas. Sometimes when we’re making a movie we’ll
watch scenes from other movies just for fun, on the set. “Full
Metal Jacket.” We didn’t listen to “Full Metal
Jacket” when Dakota was on the set. It was like, “Is
D on the set? Is D on the set? Okay, D’s in school! ‘Full
Metal Jacket!’ That scene from ‘The Fly!’”
Spielberg:
It’s just a way of cleaning the palette. One of the biggest
problems in making movies—I’m sure other filmmakers
have told you this at press conferences—is that directors
tend to lose their objectivity. You get halfway through a film,
and you forget why you’re making it, what the story’s
all about, and you’ve got to read the script again. So
sometimes those little moments of taking a break from the picture
while the cameraman is widening the shot, and just going off
and watching a great scene from a European or American motion
picture is a great way to clear the air.
Every cast member says that you have unbelievable energy.
Is there a secret to your boundless energy?
Cruise:
My interest in life, quite honestly. I’m interested in
life. I’m someone who will get excited about living. I’m
interested in people. There are things in my life, in Scientology
and tools that I’ve spoken about before, that help me
to overcome barriers and problems, and that has been extraordinary
in my life. I have the privilege of doing something that I love.
I do see it as a privilege. I’m truly proud of the life
that I have.
Spielberg:
And I have half his energy, and I’m still going strong.
WAR OF THE WORLDS INVADES THEATERS ON
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 29
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