
He was the one
everyone wanted. For years, ever since his malevolent turn in
"American Psycho," fans had clamored
for Christian Bale to be Batman. He's got the build, the range
and the threat of menace. In short, he's the perfect Batman.
And you know what? He might just have made the perfect Batman
film. Hell, the perfect superhero film, period. Bale talks with
us about why, once he read "Batman Year One," he simply
HAD to be Batman. He talks about the stunts, the training, the
other Batfilms, and how he gained 60 pounds (60!) in just a
couple of months. Below is what he said:
You
did a great job
Christian
Bale: Thank you very much.
Are you
happy how the movie came out?
Christian
Bale: I’m really happy with how it came out,
I think Chris (Nolan) has made a movie that will finally please
like the hard core Batman fans and the fans of the graphic novel
but also just people who appreciate good movie making and good
storytelling.
When the
role was first offered to you what was the first thing that
went through your mind?
Christian
Bale: It had been a long process because for me it
started when I was given a graphic novel of ARKHAM ASYLUM
in about (the year) 2000 and kind of begrudgingly read it because
I just had never been into comics or anything and just had no
interest in them what-so-ever and also I hadn’t seen much
interest in the character Batman before. And that was what first
opened my eyes and I went on to read Batman Year One
and then The Dark Victory, The Long
Halloween. I realized that he was a really great character,
a dark severe character unlike anything that I had realized
he can be before. So that’s when I first thought to myself
‘I really want to play this character.’ I had not
seen him done…and contacted my agent and said “Can
you just keep your eyes out, keep your eyes pealed if their
every going to be doing a different Batman and if it’s
every going to be in this style.” Then hearing that Chris
Nolan had been brought on was an obvious indication that the
studio didn’t want to go back and do the same old (films)
as before, and then the fact that they seem to be seriously
interested in me and I had been very explicit with the way I
saw and how I wanted to play it that this was going to be made
in the way I would like to see it. By the time I actually came
to be cast I kind of gotten so obsessed about it that I kind
of viewed it as it being mine already. It would’ve been
more like…if they had told me like “No its not yours”
I would’ve been like “No way that’s not working
out, that’s not going
to happen.”
Can
you talk about moving around the Batsuit?
Christian
Bale: Well the very fist time I put the batsuit was
actually for the screen test, so it wasn’t my specific
batsuit built for me. It was one I believe from I don’t
know BATMAN FOREVER or something from before.
I was very constricting because it was smaller; it was to small
on me so I can hardly breathe in it but you got your first impression
about the heat of it. But also for me it became clear that I
just could not wear that batsuit and feel anything but an ass
unless I really became like a beast within it, and that he kind
of became somewhat demonic. Because to me like just standing
there in the batsuit I felt like an idiot on his way to a Halloween
party and that’s the way he’s been often been portrayed
and the way that it had gone with some of the movies with these
kind of one-liners and quips and things. It just wasn’t
savage enough for what to me that batsuit felt like it had to
be, it was his demonic incarnation and the way that he channeled
all of his negative emotions and rage so that he was able to
function in regular society as Bruce Wayne.
Can you
talk about the weight you put into this film since The Machinist?
Christian
Bale: We went from the end of July I finished on The
Machinist. First week in September we did the screen test and
so I actually put on around 60 pounds in that amount of time.
How did
you do that?
Christian
Bale: Just eating like crazy.
What
was the biggest thing you ate to gain that much weight? Ice
cream
or…
Christian
Bale: No I was working on breads and things like that
and pastas. Not a healthy thing to do and I would not do anything
like that again to gain the weight that fast. Because I had
spoken with Chris he said I would have to be doing a screen
test and he said we’re really not going to be able to
convince the studio that you’re the man for the job if
you’re looking like a toothpick. So I did that and then
after they cast me then the real rigorous training began because
you had to get into to good shape, this guy has no super powers
he really has to look like he can be a good brawler. I couldn’t
do a single push-up and so we had months ahead of us. I was
just down at the gym with this good crazy ex-marine trainer
friend of mine who just made me lift just impossible heavy weights
for 3 hours a day for months on end and then eventually managed
to get in shape like kind of just in time for the beginning
of the movie.
You’ve
got this reputation of somebody who will do anything for a role,
like weight changing, do you see yourself doing this in the
future continuing this or is this just a phase that’s
kind of over?
Christian
Bale: I mean look it just depends on what the roles
is. I never planned on becoming any kind of gimmick guy that
was like "Hey you know what? I’ll lose weight, I’ll
put on weight, I’ll lose weight and I’ll put it
on again" it just happened in a few consecutive movies
that was necessary and I just loved the project so much that
I said; ‘yeah fine I’ll go for it.’ There
is also the challenge of it, there’s the novelty, there’s
the discipline of seeing can you achieve that yourself. It’s
not necessary of course not and if you start doing it just for
the pure kind of showing off value then that gets ridiculous.
I believe for The Machinist it was accentual. I just did not
see how that part can be played without looking like he was
on deaths door. American Psycho it was necessary for the guy,
Batman it was necessary for him to look capable. I will adjust
for what is needed but only if I have quiet an obsession for
that role.
This
movie was all about Bruce Wayne’s relationship with fear
and vengeance, it’s more of an origin story with him becoming
a ninja…
Christian
Bale: Well its never been explained. I mean everybody
knows about ...the pearl necklace and then alleyway and then
he becomes Batman. And there’s never been the exploration
of well how did this happen? What was the transition? What was
going on in his head? The angry young man as Bruce Wayne the
prince of Gotham but ultimately finding out that he’s
completely impotent when it comes to seeking vengeance and realizing
that with all of his wealth and all of his connection that it
means nothing in the criminal underworld. And so he has to disappear
and to me it was kind of like a little bit of a crises-life
journey because it’s meant to be seven years and then
there’s the seven years in crises life where we don’t
know where he went to, but when he returned, Bang! He hit the
ground running and he had his purpose and for Bruce Wayne that’s
what happens when he disappears and meets with Ra's Al-Ghul
and finds a mentor and really hones his skills and his beliefs
more importantly. Finds out who he is and is able to stand up
for himself.
What
is your favorite Batman film beside yourself?
Christian
Bale: No I was going to answer that one. (Laughs) I
feel with all due respect that I’ve never seen the character
defined sufficiently. I had seen in the other movies villains
who were fantastic but I never felt like Batman had been fully
fleshed out and certainly had never become as threatening a
character as I believe he should be. That was why I wanted to
take on the role precisely because I’d never had a favorite.
I couldn’t see anybody who I felt like I was going to
be in competition with. To me…there is a reinvention here;
there is no need to refer to anybody else.
Have you
signed on for another one? And how many are you willing to do?
Christian
Bale: Well look if this one is embraced then yes their
going to be asking me to do another one. Yes I’ve signed
on for another one already, but their not going to be asking
me to do it if people don’t like this one. If people like
this one and I get to continue playing it in this vein and push
it further then I’m absolutely happy to continuing doing
it.
Is Batman
impotent? There is no love scene in this movie. He’s a
very solitary figure there is no Robin in this film...
Christian
Bale: (Laughs) Yeah what happened in that Asian jail?
(Laughs) I kind of thank god that we don’t have Robin
in it, I think that…I mean not talking completely sexually,
but I do think there is a lot of room for like a R rated Batman.
In terms of YES that (sex) aspect of it as well because it I
think that’s a little bit tricky to broach when you want
kids to come see this as well and even though this is a much
darker and scary Batman than its been done before, we still
like for a 12 year old to come see it and enjoy it. I think
it would be very interesting myself to do maybe one version,
which can be both PG and R, two different cuts of it. The graphic
novel certainly dove into his private life because it’s
fascinating; of course he’s got to do something, he has
to do something at some point. I think it could be an interesting
storyline to take somewhere. But no I don’t believe that
the batsuit is making him impotent. (Laughs)
Most
of the cast in this film is British and this is an American
kind of Icon and we now sort of have an Anglo American Batman
coming over with a British director. Do you see any kind of
subtext?
Christian
Bale: Yeah we’re taking over American culture.
(Laughs) You know what? I wouldn’t look at this movie
and see anything British about it. I live here this is my adopted
home, Chris is half American, he lives here.
You’ve
lost your accent
Christian
Bale: Right now I did another movie, I finished doing
that, it was called "Harsh Times."
And I just felt that…when I’m not thinking about
it I can hear that I get a slight Englishness coming into it.
But I just feel that Batman is such an American character that
in representing him in doing the interviews I don’t want
to be sounding English because that would be peculiar. I would
expect people to be saying, ‘what the hell is going on?
Why do we have an English Batman?’
There
are three facets to your personality in this movie; you got
the tormented Bruce Wayne, the fierce Batman and then the playboy
Bruce Wayne. Which was the most fun for you to play and which
one was the hardest to tap into?
Christian
Bale: I love playing the demonic Batman obviously.
But I got to tell you they were all pretty enjoyable because
then you get the playboy Bruce Wayne whose just
this vacuous asswhole and that’s a great deal of fun to
play. But then the angry young man one, the true kind of soulful
Bruce Wayne is really what gives it the heart and which I think
is been lacking so much through out the rest of it, and is the
kind of glimmer of hope that though out all of the darkness
of his Batman persona and the vacuous ness of the playboy persona
gives you that glimmer of hope that this is actually a well
motivated, very emotional young man with a great deal of issues.
It gives you that understanding; it gives you that human side
to him and the ability to emphasize with him and where he’s
coming from.
Speaking
of sequels will you do Batman Vs Superman?
Christian
Bale: You know…(long pause) I don’t know.
Were there
any real bats? Or was that all CGI?
Christian
Bale: No they did have real bats there. Their fine,
their not vampire bats, they were fruit bats and I would go
into the cage with them and stroke them and they would walk
all over my shoulder. Their fine, their little creatures.
How much
of the stunt work did you do?
Christian
Bale: As much as I could. Every single fight I did
but it was tag teaming with the stunt men, because you get exhausted
and also my stunt double he was a five-times world champion
mixed martial arts guy. I’m not exactly going to say I’m
going to be doing a better job than him.