
Director Christopher
Nolan most recently directed the critically acclaimed Insomnia
for Warner Bros. Pictures, the mind bending psychological thriller
starring Academy Award Winners Al Pacino, Hilary Swank and Robin
Williams. Nolan’s second film Memento
(My favorite besides Batman
Begins), was about a man who struggles to find
himself within the remnants of his hazy past, which is kind
of what Bruce Wayne goes through…well not that he forgets
his past but that he is tormented by guilt and anger about his
past. Nolan’s Batman
Begins explores the origins of the Batman legend,
which was really never told in the previous Batman films, which
may be one of the reasons why this film may be the best comic
book movie put to the big screen. I still love Superman
and funny enough so does Nolan, he was actually inspired by
Superman to do this film. I had the opportunity
to speak to Nolan about making the anticipated film. Here is
what he tells us:
This
was Batman Begins for Christopher Nolan. Is this Batman ends
as well?
Christopher
Nolan: “No, I’ve enjoyed making this film
very much and we’ve tried to leave the film very open,
with a real sense of possibilities in the audience’s minds
as they leave the theater. As far as would I do more, I think
that will probably mostly be defined by how people react to
this one.”
Let’s
say there will be sequel of some sort. Would you really want
to direct it or would you want to go on to something else after
spending two years of your life on Batman?
Christopher
Nolan: “Well, I definitely intend to do something
else first and move on to do possibly something smaller, having
done such a big film.”
Do you
know what that is?
Christopher
Nolan: “No, not specifically. I have a couple
of things that I’m looking at.”
Was there
just one Batmobile?
Christopher
Nolan: “There were four in Chicago and, I think,
seven overall.”
Did any
of them get really destroyed during filming, or are all seven
available to be sold on Ebay?
Christopher
Nolan: “It proved to be very robust. They jumped
one of them 58 feet onto to the freeway, and it drove around
to do take two.”
Did you
get to open one up on the road yourself?
Christopher
Nolan: “Yeah, briefly. Right at the end I had
a play. I had a play before they put the body on it, when they
were developing the steering mechanism on it, because the front
axle is a very unique engineering feat that they put together.
And then right at the end I had a quick few laps right around
where we were shooting.”
What were
the biggest learnings for you from other comic book movies?
Christopher
Nolan: “I’m not really a big fan of comic
book movies generally, because I felt like what I really wanted
to see was a film that conveyed the experience of reading a
comic book. That is to say, the mental process you go through
when you get into the story. You’re not looking at the
page as a flat surface; you’re actually in the action
of it. And that’s what I was trying to do in this film.
The only time I’ve really it done before, I think, is
probably the 1978 “Superman.” I was a big fan of
the Dick Donner film, where they really treated Superman to
an epic scale film and had this amazing cast—Marlon Brando
and Gene Hackman and Ned Beatty and Glen Ford and all that.
I thought that was a spectacular film, and I thought Batman
deserved that type of storytelling. And I think even compared
to that movie we tried to be more serious about things.”
Can
you talk about why you chose Ra’s Al Ghul and The Scarecrow
as opposed to the other mainstream villains?
Christopher
Nolan: “It really came about as a result of talking
to David Goyer, my co-writer, about which villains would fit
the tone and themes of what we were doing. Scarecrow, because
of his use of the fear toxin, his use of fear as a weapon, I
think presents a very interesting parallel to Bruce Wayne’s
use of fear as a weapon in the Batman persona. Ra’s Al
Ghul felt like a very appropriate villain for us—not just
in his aims and his motivations, which feel contemporary and
very relevant right now, but it’s also the tone of him
as a fictional character. He’s based very much on the
Bond villains of the 70s period that he sort of rose in the
comics from. That felt like the kind of villain we needed, a
memorable, interesting, frightening villain, not one who overshadows
the hero.”
Your casting
is like “Superman’ in ’78, makes a statement
that this is a pretty serious film.
Christopher
Nolan: “Yeah, definitely. We wanted to, as I
say, give Batman the film that I felt he deserved, as epic as
we could make it. To me, when you speak of the word epic, it’s
not just the size of sets or the size of explosions. It’s
about the characters and humanity on screen, getting a great
together.”
Was Bale
thin from “The Machinist?”
Christopher
Nolan: “He managed to get the ball going in
a very short space of time. Another thing you’ve got to
remember is the studio, they will want the thing to be cast
as big as possible, and that’s a process you have to generally
have to deal with when you’re making ‘Batman Begins.’
Batman is the star, so they’re very open to allowing you,
letting you cast the best actor in the role.”
So why
was he the best actor?
Christopher
Nolan: “Because in talking on the idea of a realistic
telling of this story, I needed someone who could play Bruce
Wayne—somebody whose eyes the audience could look into
and believe that there is this absolute dedication, self discipline,
this drive towards making himself into this extraordinary icon.
He has no super powers. He’s just a human being who simply
through the rage inside himself and this desire to do something
with all of this emotion in him and simply dedicates himself
to becoming something extraordinary, and makes himself do that.
And I can’t think of anyone but Christian who has sufficient
fire in his eyes, really, to present that.”
Katie
Holmes is not Hilary Swank, who you last directed—not
an Oscar winning actress who comes into this dark comic book
movie. Why Katie Holmes?
Christopher
Nolan: “I think Katie’s got a marvelous
combination of this girl-next-door quality, this very beautiful,
very attractive presence that can stand for the warm life, the
real life that Bruce Wayne has denied himself essentially—has
lost, or has been denied him, I should say. But she also has
this maturity beyond her years that the character of Rachel
requires because she has to serve as his conscience, really—his
moral conscience. And I think Katie has all of those qualities
in spades. I think she’s a tremendous actress.”
Will this
real-life romance that she has now, this front page thing that’s
on TV everyday, distract from the movie, do you think?
Christopher
Nolan: “Sorry, what romance? [laughs] No, I don’t
think so.”
It’s
nothing you could have planned when you did this a year ago.
Christopher
Nolan: “I think the film stands on its own. [laughs]”
Batman?’
If there
is a sequel, do you think The Joker is the plan to come, or
is that just a little wink to fans in the movie?
Christopher
Nolan: “I didn’t want to get into specifics,
but the truth is he is one of the great characters.”
Gary
Oldman mentioned a parallel between this film and modern times,
and the press kit describes Gotham the way terrorists would
describe New York. Were you thinking that?
Christopher
Nolan: “Well, Ra’s al Ghul in the comics
is often described as an eco-terrorist—I would put it
down to an extremist. What was important to me in creating a
credible and frightening villain is that everything he says
is true and at some level reasonable, and makes sense. It’s
the extremity with which he’s prepared to go to achieve
what he believes that is very, very threatening and very frightening.
And I think that extremism in our world is one of the most frightening
things.”
They’re
attacking Gotham because in their minds, they think they’re
doing a good thing. Did you talk about this, did you see that
parallel as you were writing this and putting it together?
Christopher
Nolan: “Well, not really. In the sense that it’s
just about writing the most threatening and frightening villain
that you can, and I think that we live in the same world as
everybody else, and you’re most afraid of people attacking
the way you live, I suppose, in extremes. But to make any kind
of conscious parallels to the contemporary world would perhaps
be to trivialize these things. So these things are unconscious.”
What about
working with the bats—Rabies—
Christopher
Nolan: “Yeah, bats are disappointingly cute in
real life. No, they are! You’d be surprised. We’d
try to do a menacing close-up on a bat and they look a little
too cute—there are some more sort of uglier species.”
You pulled
off the humor in this without winking too much. Were you ever
concerned about going over the edge with the ironic humor?
Christopher
Nolan: “No, I wasn’t concerned about going
over the edge with it, because I had sort of stripped it all
away to begin with, and then what I had said to the studio and
everybody—because everybody is always looking for a bit
of lightness to balance the darkness—I said I wanted to
arise naturally from the situations and the performers and the
way they interpret these things. And once you cast people like
Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman, you get a great level of humor
and warmth from their performances. They build on the script
and make it much more.”
Why
did you shoot in Chicago, of all the places you could have done
it?
Christopher
Nolan: “I lived in Chicago as a kid and half
my family’s from Chicago, so I know the geography of the
place very well. And the subterranean streets, they presented
exactly what we needed in terms of our idea of Gotham being
this very stratified city with different castes living on different
levels, and this subterranean aspect of the city. I knew the
place would be perfect for us.”
Are you
familiar with the Dark Knight Returns, the story of the older
Batman?
Christopher
Nolan: “I am familiar with it—It’s
great, fantastic.”
Do think
when the script review was online, it gave the film a positive
buzz?
Christopher
Nolan: “To be honest, we managed to keep the
script secret for long enough that it was unlikely to derail
our process, so we were fortunate in that regard. But we were
fortunate that it was well-received and certainly I was worried.
It would have been troubling for us to have the fans very concerned
at that stage.”
Any deleted
scenes from film that we'll see in the DVD?
Christopher
Nolan: No really, we've got it all in there.