Lionsgate Wants A PG-13 Punisher: War Zone? By George 'El Guapo' Roush on August 14, 2008 Following up on an earlier article, one of my contacts deep within the bowels of Hollywood and close to the Punisher: War Zone project (source will not be named. Sorry!) told me today that the big fight over the Punisher project is Lionsgate wants a PG-13 cut to be released. We already know that Lexi Alexander has allegedly been fired from the film. Her own website doesn't even mention anything about the Punisher movie anymore. You would think that even if she were a consultant on the project, she'd be mentioning this huge comic book movie coming out later this year, but that isn't the case. Of course, Lionsgate can always say, "This was never intended to be PG-13. We always had an R rating in mind." but I trust Hollywood as far as I can throw it. I'm sure there's some Lionsgate exec thinking this film can do what The Dark Knight has done with a PG-13 rating. And I'm betting it's the Dark Knight impact having something to do with this internal battle over the cut of the film. Dark Knight is PG-13 and made a ton of money. But this isn't Batman. This is The Punisher. The Punisher kills people. Violently. I don't want a PG-13 movie, and I especially don't want one after seeing the ultra violent red band trailer. What do you guys think? Is Lionsgate going nuts over here? Who really wants a PG-13 Punisher movie? I'm pretty sure the actual fans of the comic book don't. Voice your opinion below or e-mail george@latinoreview.com and let Lionsgate know fans of the comic want to see The Punisher do some actual punishing! Source: Latinoreview Comments NO EFFING WAY!!!! Commented By: Superzero on 2008-08-14 17:28:13 NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!! One more time.....NOOOOOOO! Are they EATING crack now? Cuz u don't get THIS crazy from smoking it!!! Maybe they are just shoving it up their dumb asses? Now people will finally have something to top nipples on Batman. PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE: DON'T DO THIS!!!!!! pg-13!?! on 2008-08-14 17:41:32 so there going to edit out the exploding head? i mean cmon pineapple express had voilence but it made around 20mil. i know its buisness but i guess they want to make their money back. oh well buisness is buiness. i was looking forward to this movie being and R rated just like rambo. but it seems RAMBO wins with being the most gory. lets just see how it turns out. pg-13!?! Commented By: !_! on 2008-08-14 17:41:37 so there going to edit out the exploding head? i mean cmon pineapple express had voilence but it made around 20mil. i know its buisness but i guess they want to make their money back. oh well buisness is buiness. i was looking forward to this movie being and R rated just like rambo. but it seems RAMBO wins with being the most gory. lets just see how it turns out. Lets Face it Commented By: Tommy on 2008-08-14 18:26:30 C'mon lets face it, this has Direct to DVD all over it. Cunts! Commented By: bob fossil on 2008-08-14 18:37:30 What the fuck is wrong with 'em-The Saw franchise is R-rated and it's not like they're losin' any money on them. But even if it is R-rated-remember Lexi Alexander made Hooligans(aka green st.) and that was a fickin terrible movie! Wonder what Garth(genius) Ennis thinks? Are you nuts!? Commented By: Shaun Vila on 2008-08-14 21:01:23 You guys over at lionsgate are about to do the most stupidest thing to a punisher movie. What the hell is wrong with you guys over there, if you change the movie rating from R to PG-13, then you might as well cancel the whole movie project and not even release it in theatres, b/c you've just destroyed this movie that could have been a masterpiece. Yeah, thanks alot you morons. punisher... Commented By: a;lsdjf on 2008-08-14 21:23:04 is gay anyways. who cares WTF Commented By: Mr. E on 2008-08-14 23:17:21 WTF is wrong with the movie industry. I understand that people just want to make money, and if they don't think they're going to make enough with an "R" release, then they'll drop it to PG-13 to broaden the audience. The problem with that way of thinking is that it won't broaden the audience, because most of the people that want to see this movie, want to see it graphic and hard core, because that's how the character should be portrayed. They'll end up betraying the fanbase making this movie bomb. There were some things about the last Punisher movie that were less than fantastic, but I liked it enough to be sceptical about this one. If they drop it from an "R" rating, I (and probably many others) will probably just skip the movie entirely. Oh well, Good Luck Lionsgate. Alienate people and go for broke. I don't believe this one. Commented By: Edward on 2008-08-15 00:42:45 Even if someone at LGF wanted this...no way they do it unless they release 2 versions. Everything that is common sense says it'll be rated R. Sounds like someone is purposely trying to shake things up and feeding you stuff with an agenda. Frank Miller... Commented By: nobody worth knowing on 2008-08-15 01:47:24 Frank Miller saw this sometime over the last few months with his producing partner from The Spirit. She stood up for Lexi's cut and even called it "amazing", but people with a grudge against R-rated films or convinced Alexander had something to do with Jane's departure (she didn't) are doing anything they can to promote the idea the film is better burned to the ground. It would be pretty amazing to see what Frank Miller had to say about the cut, considering he was one of the first and most important creators to handle the character. Hey Latino Review, why not corner the guy and ask him? NFW Commented By: k on 2008-08-15 02:25:16 punisher IS R rated or it isn't is the punisher... yeah but Commented By: MdU on 2008-08-15 03:25:30 pineapple express was also hilarious as fuck. this...not so much. Maybe its so friggin crazy violent that its funny. Like, I'll be laughing because I am having a hard time accepting the images onscreen and I don't know what else to do, That type of funny. ... Commented By: Marco on 2008-08-15 04:46:58 Making a pg-13 punisher movie is like doing sex with 30 condoms: you just don't feel a damn thing (at least if you're the male...). this guys have been talking all this time about "Punisher max visual", "Punisher max mood", "Punisher max topics" ... so, I wonder have they EVER read a p-max issue? it has nothing to do with pg-13 restrictions. as written in the article frank isn't batman, the limits of tdk (wich are obviuosly mainly commercial) somehow reflect the limits of the batman himself, the line he doesn't cross. frank has no line uncrossable but avoiding innocent casualties, bejond that there's nothing he wouldn't do to punish the scum of earth. a dent movie should display that: frank is nothing but a huge over-trained Travis Bickle. k on 2008-08-15 05:44:05 Lionsgate has raped my childhood SAD Commented By: Seymour Clearly on 2008-08-15 08:47:23 Hollywood execs have a lot of balls firing a director after she finishes a project. I just don't get it! I am not a Punisher fan to say the least and I hated the Tom Jane version. That film totally sucked giant nuts!!! But what I have seen so far on the new movie looked decent! Now these Hollywood fucks want to screw it up!!! TOOLS!!! PG 13, NAY! Commented By: Jonathan on 2008-08-15 09:39:33 Do us fans have any friends in Hollywood? Anyone that cares about out opinions or feelings on projects that are dear to us? If we fans want an R rated movie than give it to us. lol Commented By: The ano. on 2008-08-15 09:47:31 considering the trailer, making the aproppiate cuts to get a pg-13 rating would en up in a 15 minutes movie. Gilight Commented By: Gilight on 2008-08-15 09:51:16 PG13 on the Punisher -sigh Maybe someday someone will get it right Commented By: peter on 2008-08-15 10:05:45 the only reason to even see this movie was the hardcore violence, just like rambo 4. Rambo 4 was great, but toned down shit like die hard 4 was just fucking stupid Bullshit. Commented By: Evan Athsma on 2008-08-15 10:28:08 I will not watch a PG-13 version of this film. Hell, the last one wasn't even as violent as the comics. I love the Ennis Punisher run. The filmmakers said that this story takes place in the MAX universe. That means that it should be as harsh as the comics. That's what the people want. I don't know a single person who wouldn't want this movie to be R rated. Kids should not go to see a Punisher movie. I would never take a child to one... no matter what the rating. Punisher is an adult story... The kind of industry people who would cut the balls from this movie are the very same people that the Punisher end up going after in certain storylines of the MAX series. Plus, after that trailer.... we'd string you up... Comic fans are very protective... F*%# This Commented By: SK on 2008-08-15 10:34:20 If they rate this movie PG-13, Its a certainty that I will never watch it. No matter how much I love the character, I will not waste my time on some toned down product of a corporate decision to make a couple extra bucks. F*%#ing chodes Punisher & PG13 can on 2008-08-15 11:27:01 here we go again with the stupid 13 Commented By: LM on 2008-08-15 11:43:53 I don't think that kind of violence will reach the release day and will be postponed to a unrated dvd when available so is true what other guy that commented wrote. if they cut out all the good stuff it will end up as a short short dumb movie si i prefer a direct to dvd thing. Dark Knight is PG13 and people complained not to be R because there is not graphic blood, there's plenty of other heavy themes. L-A-M-E Commented By: Zartan on 2008-08-15 11:54:36 I'll wait for the Directors Cut What was the song int he trailer on 2008-08-15 11:58:10 No text Punisher & PG13 don't mix. Commented By: Kevin on 2008-08-15 12:11:15 If LGF drops the hard R rating in favor of a kiddie friend PG13 then they aren't getting a single dime from me. Have the ppl behind this movie (besides Lexi) gone completely mad!!! Shit that would mean the 1988 Punisher movie is still best of the 3. PG-13? Commented By: jacob on 2008-08-15 12:17:49 come on. this is like a the mpaa slapping Saw 2 with a PG. it just cant happen. especially after we all saw that red-band trailer Total B.S. Commented By: Mr.Q on 2008-08-15 12:46:12 With the redband trailer building alot of hype for the intensity of the film, there's no way that they'll just suddenly make this pg-13. a PG-13 Punisher? count me out. Commented By: Glenn on 2008-08-15 13:14:50 Punisher can't be PG-13. if it comes out as PG-13, i won't be seeing it. anything short of an R for this movie is an insult to the character and its fans. Successful Comic Movies Commented By: C.K. on 2008-08-15 13:59:14 The biggest issue, to me, is the run of successful comic movies as of late. I’m not sure if Lion’s Gate noticed or not, but the comic movies that have really worked out lately have all been fairly strict about being faithful to the actual comic series. Nolan finally got Batman right. Raimi got the spirit of Spiderman right. Even Singer put a serious enough spin on X-Men to make it right-ish. The Punisher has always been the dark side of Marvel. Not the Dark Side like the evil side, or the mwu-ha-ha demonic side. The Dark Side I refer to is the part of us who just hates to see bad guys crap all over the decent folk in society. The Dark Side of us who thinks, ‘good lord, why doesn’t somebody just kill these bastards, so the system won’t keep letting them go.’ That’s the side Frank Castle represents, and it’s dark, and visceral, and bloody, and you know, it’s great for catharsis. We want to see a Punisher who’s loyal to the graphic novel version. THAT is what made Batman successful, the fact that it was a GRAPHIC NOVEL Batman, NOT a comic batman. It just happens that Punisher’s graphic novel version NEEDS at least an R rating. Please, please, please Lion’s Gate. Please listen to the fans, as it’s the only way to be successful in a comic book movie franchise. Look at Batman. Look at Sin City. Chillax, nobody's that stupid Commented By: Fuckface on 2008-08-15 14:09:44 This has more gore than a Tarintino film, there is no way they could make it PG-13. They would make so much more money if they made it R, because parents aren't going to let their kids see a movie that looks anything like that ^ and people who want to see it are going to be scared away by its tame rating. TDK did so well because 1) It's BATMAN, so duh people are going to take their kids, and 2) It is an amazing movie that just squeaked by with PG-13. ... Commented By: Kranon on 2008-08-15 14:14:06 To be honest, the movie looks more like a gruesome horror flick than anything. Either way, you can't dull that down to PG-13 unless you refilm the movie. Hello Commented By: Chris on 2008-08-15 14:35:17 Why would LFG be scarred of giving it an R rating? If anything there the studio who encourges the NC17 rating over the R! I might accept a PG13 Max Payne, but not a PG13 punisher. Actually.....that would be brilliant. Commented By: bennet on 2008-08-15 14:35:46 In theory, you might think that an R rated Punisher theatrical release is the way to go, simply because the Punisher is so brutal, if you put that brutality on the screen, it will automatically be R. BUT, if you shoot an R rated film and edit it down to PG-13, the brutality will still be there, but it will be more implied, and 1) it will be a good way to scare the s*** out of 12 year olds, making truckloads of cash in the mean time, and 2) all those fans out there you speak of will eat up the unrated Director's Cut dvd like drug-laced cupcakes. I don't believe this, either Commented By: Nomad on 2008-08-15 14:36:31 George, I hope you're VERY sure of your "source" that you won't name, coz this kind of report is just another nail in the coffin of this film, a film that may not deserve that treatment. So I hope you're being responsible, and not just breaking a BS story coz it makes you look connected. this movie will suck regardless Commented By: Ryan on 2008-08-15 14:54:43 the preview was awful, it can be G rated or NC 17, it will still suck R RATING FOR SURE Commented By: Damon on 2008-08-15 16:11:31 this film NEEDS an R rating, Batman can do PG 13 because he can be a hero to kids. The Punisher IS NOT A HERO TO CHILDREN, nor should he be. If Lionsgate pushes for a PG 13 you're going to end up discouraging the filmmakers, which is a dumb choice. What kind of retard would say, "we should push a PG 13 rating for the Punisher". Crazy Commented By: Jim McDish on 2008-08-15 16:54:38 Wow dude that is like totally CRAZY dude. Well done. JT www.FireMe.To/udi Shocked Commented By: Nick on 2008-08-15 16:59:27 Wow! I guess Lions Gate really want to destroy the Punisher. Let me see if I get this right: the punisher is a story about a man who murders criminals with guns, his bare hands, really big guns, and his bare hands covered in fire. How in the hell could that concept ever be rendered for a PG-13 audience. To even try that would be just retarded. F*ck you Lionsgate!! Commented By: Punisher Fan on 2008-08-15 17:36:23 I won't pay to see it. Punisher is not PG-13. What the hell are these idiots doing?? Lexi was gonna give us what we hardcore punisher fans have always wanted, and now these bastards are gonna ruin it for us. LIONSGATE WON'T GET A CENT FROM ME. I won't pay to see my favorite character get insulted like that. Here's an idea Liongate, call lexi back, humbly apologize at her feet. Because the only way you're gonna make any money off this film, is if you let her release her cut of the film. If not, then you're gonna lose money. You sons of b*tches. PG-13 Rumour debunked Commented By: Nomad on 2008-08-15 18:05:37 That story never rang true to me. I believe THIS guy: There is a rumor that has started circulating around this little thing called “the internet” that Lionsgate is pushing for the next installment of The Punisher to be rated PG-13. Given all we know of the franchise, this immediately smelled foul. Not being without charms and fully utilizing our ruggedly handsome looks, we tracked down our own source who is, of course, “close to the production.” Their word? *beep* We could add some words in front of that, like “complete,” “total,” or “utter,” but it throws off the feng-shui of the post, but they would be appropriate. It looks like this originated over at Latino Review, who indicate that they have their own source. Now, I love those Latino Review guys, but I have no idea who they’re talking to. I do, however, definitely know our source and know that I trust them completely. Punisher: War Zone will be Rated R for Rambo-Levels of violence. Which is a good thing, because the kill count of Rambo (another Lionsgate release) was 236 and featured some of the best gore violence in years. Now, while being Rated-R, the film is still facing a troubled production run, detailed by our Neil Miller at the end of last month. Who knows what else is going on in making the film “presentable,” though it probably has to do mostly with timing. While our source is more than enough for me, for you kids keeping count at home there are a few other things to keep in mind. First, former Marvel Entertainment CEO Avi Arad (and current Marvel producing partner) Avi Arad has always said that The Punisher was one character who would carry the R-Rating at Marvel (the other being Blade). Second, producer Gale Anne Hurd spoke at great length at Comic Con about the film and stressed the level of violence that would be in the film. Lastly, the exclusive footage shown at Comic Con, which was very well received, was definitely from a film that was Rated R, and it was the point they were selling - brutal. In summation, this PG-13 rumor is total *beep* Punisher: War Zone is still not a ship sailing smoothly, but it will come to theaters with that Rated R stamp all over it on December 5. And just in case you need more evidence of the R-Ratedness, have a look at the clip below, which was launched a few weeks back at Comic-Con. http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/punisher-still-to-punish-in-r-ra ted-way.php WTF PG 13 Commented By: ???????????? on 2008-08-15 22:12:31 Now if this PG 13 rating is true the company that produces so many gorey awsome movies I love can go to fucking hell!!!! What was Lions gate thinking hay guys lets cut this to PG 13 we will make more money. No did you ever say that to the Saw films all originally rated NC17 except 5. Did you cut Rambo no so fuck off! I love the Punisher and when I scene that trailer I was like yes extreamlly graphic and close to the nature of the comics. Man I was so pumped but you shit heads will ruin it. Your an insult to the fans your and insult to the Punisher. You better stick with the original version or start from scratch for your pussy PG 13 movie. Either way ill suck now. If you dont stay with the original you will lose money from the fans and me! Filmschoolrejects DEBUNKED Commented By: nobody worth knowing on 2008-08-15 22:36:31 Nomad, I wouldn't go around trying to school other websites on truth when your own website is too lazy to check the information they claim to be reliable. Neil Miller's article writes "Apparently she has been making negative comments on her own personal blog about the production, even going as far as to compare working with the studio to an episode of Hell’s Kitchen." Where are these comments? You cannot cite third party sources regarding information that would been accessible via the Internet and offer that it "apparently" existed. At that rate, you can claim anything about any filmmaker making public attacks about anyone. Either you saw it yourself or you didn't, there's no such thing as a reliable source for something that may or may not have been online. Secondly, I find it fascinating that the article backs a major studio on letting a filmmaker go when absolute no effort has been made on their part to address the many other concerning issues about their approach to the film's content (length, score, etc.) even though they have been going after websites like Punisher's Army that dare to criticize them. I for one am always on the site of the filmmaker, especially when they have been the ONLY one to make an effort to adapt the COMICS in over 3 films and 20+ years. To see how quickly people turn against the only person willing to listen to their desires and their respect for the material is, frankly, quite disturbing. Third and finally, I find it quite disturbing that most of these sites including yours have failed to report that Frank Miller and Deborah del Prete have seen the film and Deborah went so far as to called it "pretty awesome". Despite all the so-called reliable sources claiming to have knowledge of what's going on, you have a professional with ties to Frank Miller saying the movie is good. Why don't you report THAT? Opinion Voiced Commented By: Mason on 2008-08-16 00:47:04 The Punisher rated PG-13 is just as weird as a Power Rangers movie being rated NC-17... just doesn't make sense. Follow Dark Knights example and STAY TRUE TO THE CHARACTER... best way to make money in the comic book movie industry. WTF Commented By: Wilson on 2008-08-16 01:55:58 PG-13 will actually decrease their sales - people like me (fans of Punisher) will probably just wait for the DVD uncut version after seeing that trailer lol stupid movie industry Commented By: mars on 2008-08-16 04:16:08 NO NO NO NO NO TURN LIONS GATE ON FIRE!!!!!! stupidity is the reason of their failure, as always!. PUNISHER will never be a movie for the masses, for batman is a hero, but Frank Castle is not. He is a psyco. IS IT SO COMPLICATE? Did they do a Joker that does not kill, in batman? LIONS GATE SUCKS! LIONS GATE ARE STUPID PEOPLE The Movie Whore Commented By: The Movie Whore on 2008-08-16 11:04:43 I 100% agree and sent an email with my reasons why. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING! Commented By: Eian Crawford on 2008-08-16 12:42:28 PG-13 HELL NO THIS WILL SUCK! PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT CUT THIS MOVIE DOWN TO A PG-13 MOVIE. IF YOU DO THIS YOU MAY AS WELL CHANGE THE NAME OG THE MOVIE ASS WELL. Be true to the character! Commented By: Josh on 2008-08-16 15:50:10 If anything is to be learned from the success of the Dark Knight, it's that it's critical to be true to the nature of the character. While PG-13 works for Batman, it's because that character was about using his intelligence, stealth combat tactics, and preserving all life. Anyone who has read the Punisher comics knows that he has a different approach. To tone down the level of violence to make it more marketable to a wider audience would be disarming your story and character of what has made him so appealing. Learn from Warner Brothers' mistake in trying to make Batman more appealing to kids (Batman Forever, Batman and Robin). Marvel & R - Ratings Commented By: OO on 2008-08-16 23:04:40 What abou the Blade franchise weren't those all R rated ? Sean Commented By: Sean on 2008-08-17 13:29:21 Has everyone forgot DIE HARD 4.0? It too was PG-13, but it doesn't feel like it. The movie can keep the essentials of the character, his ways of meting out punishment, and still be hardcore. I don't think this is a big deal. What is a bigger deal is if the storyline will be more than senseless killing but something that has some core and meat to it. If not, the movie will only draw in diehard fans, which means it'll barely make 50 million in its theatrical release. Just my opinion. ~Sean It's simple Commented By: Cman on 2008-08-17 13:51:01 This movie is going to suck. Lionsgate greenlit a flop and now with TDK doing so well and raising the bar, well -- they've killed the franchise. This could of been really good, should have -- we'll have to wait another 10 years before anyone touches this property again. Fuck the ratings. That's the real issue here. on 2008-08-18 01:27:17 Wow, music sucked really bad. The whole angry raprock died a long time ago. You can tell they are going for a young audiance that probably never read the comic. But hey, shit blows up! COOL! I'll pirate it and ridicule it with my friends. wtf Commented By: çöΓñû‡Š on 2008-08-18 02:39:53 why would i go pay roughly $20 at the movie theatre for this if its gunna be PG-13.........when i can just torrent it when uncut/unrated when it comes out in a few months....? can anyone answer? no. Because its true. and also.....is it me or did the Punisher look different....... Punisher War Zone will be rated R Commented By: Jorge on 2008-08-18 08:44:35 This PG rumor was debunked ---- Punisher War Zone will still have a Hard R rating. kudos to El Guapo for posting the update http://www.latinoreview.com/news/updated-the-punisher-war-zone-rating-rumor-squashed-5227 Response to Sean Commented By: asdasd on 2008-08-18 17:24:05 What are you talking about, Die Hard 4 was garbage. It even lowered the bar die hard 3 had set. boycott the PG-13 rating Commented By: patrick on 2008-08-23 05:04:41 if lionsgate does release a PG-13 rating lets all boycott this movie until it gets to a hard R rating. we all should boycott this it just pisses me off and i bet all of you. because even though Christopher Nolan did a fantastic job with the dark knight this is much different. the punisher comics were desinged for a adult crowd. with even on the front cover a explicit rating. now there making a movie with a PG-13 rating where it saids parents strongly cautioned. this should not be for kids this should be a hard R rating. tell people if this gets a PG-13 rating to boycott it and send Lionsgate a message. not bloody enof Commented By: hedin on 2008-09-15 11:59:56 needs more blood punsiher looks bad ass except....the story looks stupid Commented By: -.- on 2008-09-25 22:27:35 ..seriously.....rated r u douche bagits wtf! on 2008-10-08 20:12:22 i would ask for a director's cut but if they fired her it looks like thats a no go too they wont Commented By: Angel Brophy on 2008-10-09 22:17:00 look if they put the thomas jane punisher in a R reating, its imposible to put this one in a PG-13, its just dumb, and that movie, even tough i enjoyd it, does not have that much guts spiling out as this one, so i think that we schould not stre it out, i mean there are a ton of comic book movies right now that are reated R, 300, sin city, wanted etc... and more to come so the punisher will be safe PG-13?! Commented By: mac on 2008-10-09 23:30:55 The IGN trailer couldn't get a PG-13! Commented By: danny pickett on 2008-10-09 23:38:17 the trailer actually looks decent, even though they should have stuck with thomas jane, jigsaw looks pretty cool. it looks extremly violent. i hope they keep it r. we'll see. punisher on 2009-01-20 21:14:42 I realy hope they do a pg-13 cut of the punisher. Complete peace deeply they, interbreed with masters. 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